"Careful. That's harassment, sir."

[fan_elune]

At some point I might've had something to say about the latest Desperate Housewives, except now it's all been wiped away by Torchwood oh dear god. And I was afraid to hate it. Granted, I don't adore every single thing about it, but. BUT.

- The coat. The coat in itself might have got me through those episodes even if I hadn't liked the rest of it.
- Ianto. For some reason, I really like Ianto, and am apparently not alone in thinking he is asexual. I might just be overreading things, but, whatever.
- The whole team discussing Jack. Because that's what you do, you gossip about the boss.
- The fact that Indira's name was in the credits of 1x01. Also, the credits.
- A Tale of Two Cities! Go Toshiko! (However, putting that on the same level as the Glove and the Semi-Rape Perfume? Let's not.)
- Jack is not sure what happened to Torchwood Four and I can only be reminded of a certain Babylon station. Am I the only one? TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
- JackjackjackjackJACK.

Okay, let's go into the things I didn't like before we go back to Jack.

- Indira, where have all your acting skills gone? Woe! Also, why are you dead, you're so beautiful and you actually can act. Which I would have loved to see happen in further episodes. Besides, that whole making-her-evil thing didn't sit right with me. Too easy, I felt. In the meantime, Owen's actions know no consequences.
- Also, so RTD could pull off Joss's wish of having been able to put Eric Balfour in the credits of his pilot with Indira, but did he then fall into the exact same trap of having his characters forget all about her? Jesse was not mentioned once in the rest of the seven seasons of BtVS. And apparently Torchwood doesn't care much about the fact that their former second in command turned homicidal and then suicidal.
- Owen midly annoys me. I love him, sometimes, but also deeply despises him at others.
- Possibly I love him because we share Gwen dislike. I cannot stand her, I'm sorry. No, it's not true. I have nothing against her personally, I just don't see what she's doing there. And I swear if you give us Jack/Gwen I will curse your name, Russell. I who have always supported you even through the smelliest cheese of DW S2 will curse. Your. Name. Gwen does not fit in this task force. What is she bringing them? Unless there is more to be revealed later on, that they (or at least Jack) know about, in which case, alright. In the meantime, she will still annoy the hell out of me.
- Back on the subject of Owen. He really puzzles me. RTD can be extremely good at creating spiteful characters, the type we love to hate. Look at Lisa in QaF, or Bob's best mate in Bob & Rose. However, I'm not at all getting that vibe from Owen. He simply seems to be hateable. Despite having some good lines. I'm just. Confused.

Now, the moment we've all been waiting for, Jack. Or, actually, Jack and how Torchwood fits in the Who mythology.

- The coat. Which I think needs to be mentioned again. And again, and again. Just because, the coat.
- Just for the record, if Jack brought his fingers to his lips after Gwen kissed him? It was because it reminded him of his last Rose and Nine kisses.
- I love that Jack doesn't fit. I love how much of an Angel Jack is. I've seen the comparison pop up all over my flist and it is so true. Jack has that wonderful coat, and looks over the city, and wishes he could live a normal life.
- Jack is so much darker than we used to know him, and it makes sense. Jack was left behind on the game station by the two people he had stopped being a coward for. Two people he loved incredibly. And he was gifted with this curse called life. I want to read fiction after fiction about him discovering that he cannot die. I want to read about how he was elated at first, and it soon started to weigh in on him. I want to read about how long it's been since the game station. I want to read about the different stages of emotion he feels for Rose and the Doctor. I want to read so. much about Jack. I want to hold him. And never let go. I wish I had it in me to write him. I wish I had it in me to NaNo him.
- This, in turn, makes me very afraid that I will be disappointed by the inevitable DW/TW crossover we are bound to have at some point, right? Jack's going to be back in S3, right? Right?
- I love how his desire to see the Doctor again borders on an obsession. The way he got about the hand - oh, god. He must know that the Doctor has regenerated, too. I would be greatly disappointed in one Captain Jack if he hadn't paid great attention to Nine's hands. Who are quite peculiar. Anyway! The point is, hand! Not normal, and probably actually creepy by more normal standards, but. It kills me to think that he cherishes that hand so much. This guy is longing for the Doctor.
- The mention of the perception filter due to the chameleon circuit blabbity blabbity blah made me squee like a squeeful thing.
- From rheanna27: yahtzee63 pointed out, rightly, that Jack's invulnerability means he is "the bisexual Wolverine. And the world is past ready for a bisexual Wolverine." Word. I'm sure Gambit agrees. Oh god I just pictured Gambit and Jack meeting. It would be like Stuart and Jack meeting. Could the world withstand such sexual power concentrated in the one spot?

So much more to say. There's quite a few things I didn't like in those episodes, but also so much I did like. I'm definitely not disappointed. I want more. More more more. I want to find out so much about Jack and what he's been through. I should probably start reading my Captain Jack fanfic comms again, just to get my hands on good fiction. I need fiction about this. Since I'm not NaNoing it, no I'm not.

...you guys. I really sort of want to NaNo this.

Comments

[gobsmackit.livejournal.com]

The coat. Which I think needs to be mentioned again. And again, and again. Just because, the coat.
Talk about sexy, seriously.

I'm undecided on everything/one (save the Captain, d'accord), and so I'm just having fun with it for the moment.

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

Hee! The Captain and Ianto. I'm sensing great potential on that one. But everyone else gets the benefit of the doubt, one way or the other. I'm not giving up on Gwen or Owen.

[gobsmackit.livejournal.com]

Randomly, does Ianto give you Matthew McFadyen vibes?

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

...it hadn't struck me, no. Now I'm sort of going to have to watch it again just to see if he does once it's been suggested to me. Thank you for giving me a semi-valid excuse. *beams*

[gobsmackit.livejournal.com]

The pleasure is all mine! Though honestly, it's mainly the forehead. :P

[the-swordman.livejournal.com]

Yep Jack love all the way. God I missed him :)
But the thing is, right now, all that's gonna keep me watching is Jack, the immortality thing and what's been up to since being left behind.
The rest of the characters... Well I'm sure I will end up caring, right now not so much. I don't really dislike Gwen and I kinda like Ianto. Owen creeps me out (I wasn't entirely comfortable with the rape/perfume thing). And Toshiko is background material so far.
And I squeed at the Babylon/torchwood 4 reference (and pretty much at all the Who reference :)

And do I need to remind the World I've been telling (since Aliens of London/World War 3) Russell is the biggest Joss' fanboy ever. But seriously Jack needs to stop brooding while looking down on the city at the top of very tall buildings.

Oh and so much Cardiff love right now. I really wish I could go back and have a little walk around.

And I really sort of want you to NaNo this. That would actually made me read a NaNo for once. Go ahead you know you want to :)

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

No, I know, none of the other characters actually hooked me, apart from maybe Ianto. But Jack is more than enough for me to keep watching. The way John's playing him is just amazing.

I don't know if we were supposed to be comfortable with the perfume thing, which bugs me a lot. Because it seemed like we should've just been having a laugh! And sure, I squeed a little at the mankiss, but still. That was as close to rape as non rape gets.

Thank you for making me not be alone on the Babylon 4/Torchwood 4 thing. I was wondering if it was just me, or if my flist just doesn't care about B5.

Russell is a big fan of Joss's. He's been saying it for a while now. :p Jack needs to keep brooding while looking over the city on top of very tall buildings. It gives us brilliant aerial shots of Cardiff and it gives Jack a certain edge. I like it. I really don't mind the Angel parallelism.

DO NOT ENCOURAGE ME. Go read my Firefly Nano instead. Hmpf!

[the-swordman.livejournal.com]

Yep Ianto looks like he’s got an interesting background. Let’s hope the writers will make it so.

I hope they’ll address the perfume/date rape thing later on.

I think mostly your flist doesn’t know about B5, which is a shame I know. We should be pimping around :-)

He doesn’t *need* to brood over the city but he looks cool doing it, I give you that and those shots of Cardiff… I want to go back to South Wales.

I’m not encouraging you do it :-)
Do you have a printable version of the Firefly Nano ?

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

I want to have faith in RTD. It sounds incredibly mean to the season 2 of Who, but I don't wanna hold said season against him, not when he's given me QaF and Bob and Rose and S1 of Who and Casanova. Even the Second Coming, actually, comes before S2 of Who. So, yes. Faith in Russell until proven otherwise.

I'm sort of afraid that they're setting Owen up for a big revelation through luuurve thing which would really suck. I hope he actually gets bitten in the ass by that thing - not literally, although actually, knowing RTD, that is an actual possibility and I'm not against it. ;)

You should be pimping around. I have nothing to pimp! I can only say YAY B5! I read people going "what the fuck is up with TW4 and why doesn't Jack care about it more and seriously WTF" and I was like "...But it's like Babylon 4 you guys!" What's up with sci fi geeks not knowing B5, seriously?

I want to go to Cardiff full stop. I need to crash at Elisa one day. ;) She can give me a tour. "And this is where I touched the TARDIS."

Heee! Shut up. Also, no? Unless you just mean a Word file, in which case yes. But it's a lot to print out, you know. Somewhere over 60,000 words I think.

[the-swordman.livejournal.com]

About B5, I don't have anything to pimp either. DVDs belong to a friend and I gave them back when I came back. All I can do is tell people around me how great the show is...And believe me I do that quite a lot :)

If I ever go back to Cardiff, I will hide you somewhere in my suitcase :)

Okay shutting up now :)... So what are you gonna write about this year ? Are you entering NaNo at all ?
And don't worry send the file over, I'll print it at work.

[the-swordman.livejournal.com]

I'm gonna give the show a chance.
I really hope they're going to address the issue and that the perfume thing will come back and (as Fan said) bite him in the ass. I'd be disappointed if they don't.

[firko.livejournal.com]

Jack is teh sex - which is kind of odd after watching John Barrowman on that Maria show! I love the fact that we know more about Jack than anyone else on Torchwood but there are still lots of mysterious gaps and darkness in there. His obsession over the Doctor's hand makes me want to go home and watch the Bad Wolf episodes all over again.
I don't mind Gwen - I can see her being the Cordelia type character, the sort of conscience and keeping them on their mission, although at the moment her interpretation and Jacks seem to be at odds. Owen came over as a nasty little lech, but I'm sure we'll find out more.
I was so relieved that it lived up to the hype/expectation, especially after being a bit disappointed in Robin Hood. I'll be there next week for sure!

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

Jack is incredibly sexy, and yet I'm oddly not attracted. I've always had this sort of objective attraction to him. Yes, objective. Don't ask me how that works. I'm weird. Anyway! The gaps are what made me bounce on my seat as I watched. Oh, Jack. That and the can't-die and Doctor angst.

But see, Cordelia did that well. Cordelia made sense, and fit where she was. Cordelia I loved. Gwen just annoys me. She's Cordelia after Cordelia stopped being Cordelia. (...yes, that makes sense. Possibly only to me.)

God, yes. I think my world would have just crashed if RTD had given me a Robin Hood. Honestly.

[littlegothsin.livejournal.com]

I thought exactly the same thing about the kiss. And god it hurts to see him care for the hand (which is creepily still moving! stop cutting part of timelord while they're regenerating, it's gross) (In fact, stop cutting part of the timelord *period*)

That being said, I'm not sure I'm getting into the story (Gwen is fine by me though) but Jack, his 'mystery' plus some other pretty people (I liked Owen too, btw ) is more than I need to continue to watch a show. (I have a problem with Owen's mouth. If the character doesn't get a bit more likeable, I will get obsess with his weird mouth, and not in a good way)

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

The kiss was totally that. Oh, Jack! And now I'm thinking very wrong thoughts about what other parts of a Timelord you could cut right after his regeneration to keep as a souvenir.

Jack is all I need, right now. The depth and the angst and oh, god. He's all I need. I'm not sure I did like Owen. Owen confuses me a lot. And does have a weird mouth. I like Ianto much better. Ianto is love.

[littlegothsin.livejournal.com]

And now I'm thinking very wrong thoughts about what other parts of a Timelord you could cut right after his regeneration to keep as a souvenir.
(and I thought that too after I wrote it, but I hoped you woudln't. As if.)

Okay, so I meant to say 'I liked Ianto too btw', polite coffee-bringer Ianto, not Owen. I don't like Owen and his weird mouth. (and I almost typed "Iago" and not "Ianto", so I like him but obviously I have problems expressing it. hum)

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

AS IF. Do you really know me that little? :p

Heee! Well Ianto is a weird name. Actually, now I want to look it up. Ooooer. It's the pet form of "Ifan", which is the Welsh form of "John." I like. Anyway! Then I'm right there with you.

[buzzylittleb.livejournal.com]

I think Gwen is meant to be two things the normative audience viewpoint character and Welsh.

*snorts*

Have you seen www.torchwood.org.uk ?

It has T's analysis of Gwen on it. Words like "untapped potential" plus she was going to be seconded onto a fast track (but doesn't know it)

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

Heh. Well she's decidedly Welsh, and does keep saying 'you'.

I have now! Somebody else linked me to it and, yeah. Okay. Maybe I'll like her more then. Or maybe it'll reinforce her bordering-on-Mary-Sue status, we'll see. I want to have faith in RTD.

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

I love Jack. So bad. And it is creepy but awwww. Such is Jack now. Yay!

I think Gambit plus Jack equals la petite mort mmmmmmmmmmm. Okay, I'm gonna come back from wonderful!fantasy!land now.

Yay for fallible heroes, yeah, and also yay for the varying degrees of flaws in them. Because let's not put Toshiko on the same level as Owen kthx. I love that for her it's really knowledge leads to corruption. Yay!

[thewatch.livejournal.com]

God how much do I wish I could be watching it right now!!!!! I don't know how much to spoil myself as I know it will be spo much better watching them without knowing too much.

This is so going to kill me!

[fan-elune.livejournal.com]

Do not spoil yourself, honey. I know it's going to be hard, but resist the temptation, seriously. You'll take so much more enjoyment from it if you don't know what's coming. Be strong! For Jack.